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UBA - CienciaS :: Ver Tema - ej 8
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ej 8
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Autor:  Martin [ 30 May 2009, 20:07 ]
Asunto:  ej 8

El ejercicio 8 de la Práctica de limites de osci. dice exactamente así:
8. Si y
.
Si además mayor o igual a 0


Hay que probar esas cosas. No me salió la 2da parte de este ej., probar que
Si mayor o igual a 0


Se me ocurrio usar la propiedad del lim sup siguiente:






con eso probe la primer igualdad, pero no supe usarlo para lo segundo, por ahi no es esa la movida o por ahi no vi algo, no se pero la cuestion es q no salió. Al q conteste muchas gracias

Autor:  exequiel131719 [ 31 May 2009, 02:46 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

¿Quisiste decir ? En ese caso:

Espero que se haya entendido. Saludos.

Autor:  Martin [ 01 Jun 2009, 21:58 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

si, era eso lo que quería poner. Gracias por la respuesta loco, me sirvio mucho tambien para darme cuenta que le tengo que dar mas bola a las desigualdades para mostrar que son iguales dos cosas, es clave.

Edit:
Hay una sola cosa que no me queda clara, lo sabía pero no se bien por q es, y es la siguiente:
Vos decís que si

Entiendo que como es , entonces podes tomar límite de tendiendo a 0, pero no veo por que ese paso te cambia la desigualdad estricta en un menor igual. De nuevo gracias.

Autor:  Martin [ 01 Jun 2009, 22:56 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

otra cuestion, no entiendo bien por que si:

y
y
y
por lo tanto

¿No debería ser ?

si es así igual ya lo tenés por que , que es lo que queríamos probar.

Autor:  exequiel131719 [ 01 Jun 2009, 23:04 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

Sabés que si tomás límite te cambia a .
En este caso, para cada existe tal que . En particular, podés elegir los . Luego, tenés una subsucesión que verifica . Tomando límite superior, te queda:

En particular, pueden elegirse esos de manera tal que la subsucesión que te quede tenga límite y sea el límite superior de (recordá que el límite superior verifica que existe una subsucesión que converge a tal valor) De acá sacás tal desigualdad
Si no se termina de entender, avisá

Autor:  exequiel131719 [ 01 Jun 2009, 23:07 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

No vale eso, porque justamente querés probar que . Lo que sabés es que .

Autor:  Martin [ 02 Jun 2009, 00:43 ]
Asunto:  Re: ej 8

Ahhh q gilastrun q fui, tenés razón, gracias por la aclaración esa, y por la explicación anterior. Nunca me lo habían mostrado, buena onda.

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